tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post1469867622345367470..comments2023-10-21T20:04:18.267-04:00Comments on TwoConservatives: Blogger Hypocrisy Abounds.Charleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04551264439871137611noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post-62430772801976445292007-06-14T21:21:00.000-04:002007-06-14T21:21:00.000-04:00Hey, anon, don't look at me. I'm not discussing w...Hey, anon, don't look at me. I'm not discussing whatever "charges" may have been made about Becky, I believe what I said is correct, and I'm just saying that she accepted more money than Kopko, AND she endorsed the candidate.<BR/><BR/>And she accepted the money during the nomination campaign, not before.<BR/><BR/>And yet, my issue isn't with her, but with the bloggers who wanted Kopko to RESIGN because of his "corruption" of taking money from a candidate for services, and excuse Becky because she's done it for years.<BR/><BR/>Since I never had a problem with being paid for services, my beef is with those who did, but only when it was people they hated.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04551264439871137611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post-85014647590377313122007-06-14T09:28:00.000-04:002007-06-14T09:28:00.000-04:00You know, people really should check their facts b...You know, people really should check their facts before spewing accusations around haphazardly.<BR/>FACT: Stoeckel had nothing to do with the 51st HOD convention other than sit in on one credentials meeting (along with Kopko and about 5 other non-credentials comm members) and observing the convention.<BR/>FACT: Stoeckel is Chairman of a committee of 12, which INCLUDES a vote for Tom Kopko (and at least 2 other Gill supporters). The Chairman's job is to facilitate the process and run the meetings... not dictate the outcome of an appeal. Anyone worried that the attacks on her for trying to do her job are turning the stomachs of the other 11CD members???<BR/>FACT: Stoeckel has done business with Lucas for 3 or 4 years (as well as Corey Stewart when he was in a contested nomination! No concerns then.) And just how could she have known this nomination would end in an appeal?<BR/>FACT: The $4000 if you look was for yard signs, lapel stickers, palm cards and stationery... not attack pieces or favors.<BR/>FACT: A REQUEST to postpone a meeting to allow 3 days for Kopko to make a ruling on the appeal he received Monday so the 11CD could deal with it if they needed to, was fine with most of the 11CD members, but was slammed by the Gill supporters on the 11CD and so no meeting is currently scheduled. So, stall the process and attack the person trying to move it along so we can all get on with our lives equals "illegal meeting"? Please!<BR/>This is all smoke and mirrors. If you don't want to answer questions, attack the questioner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post-82889741331015218752007-06-14T00:35:00.000-04:002007-06-14T00:35:00.000-04:00Meanwhile, my personal opinion is that Tom Kopko p...Meanwhile, my personal opinion is that Tom Kopko probably made a mistake recusing himself from the convention plans. I say that even though I supported this "recusal".<BR/><BR/>Because it didn't help him any when things went wrong, he's still blamed. And if you are going to get blamed for something, it should be for something you did, not something you had no control over.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04551264439871137611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post-31601005023911940002007-06-14T00:34:00.000-04:002007-06-14T00:34:00.000-04:00JM, returning the money would have meant Kopko gav...JM, returning the money would have meant Kopko gave a campaign contribution to Gill.<BR/><BR/>That would be more of a conflict than getting paid to do work.<BR/><BR/>If I was a cabbie, a candidate might hire me to drive them somewhere. If they pay, there is generally no conflict of interest. But if I drive them for free, I have made a contribution and come under scrutiny.<BR/><BR/>I don't think Kopko would have done work for Gill had there been an active nomination fight. I don't think I would have.<BR/><BR/>Anon, if you misinterpret my comments it could be my fault for not being clear. I am not calling for Becky to recuse herself. I'm just pointing out that in any way you look at it, her "appearance of conflict" is much greater than that of Tom Kopko who many people called to resign over his payment.<BR/><BR/>For example, unlike Tom, she took money when there WAS a contest, and she openly endorsed one of the participants.<BR/><BR/>In a perfect world, this should mean her actions will have greater scrutiny, so she would work twice as hard to do everything right, and that doesn't appear to be the case.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04551264439871137611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post-66185519849125600302007-06-13T23:51:00.000-04:002007-06-13T23:51:00.000-04:00Thanks for linking to me. I will return the favor ...Thanks for linking to me. I will return the favor next time we cross swords.<BR/><BR/>The precedent has been established. One need not recuse oneself if one has been paid by a candidate, because Kopko didn't. <BR/><BR/>If Kopko had returned the money then one could demand that Stoeckel return her money to. But since Kopko kept his the matter is settled.<BR/><BR/>--Jonathan Mark, GoodbyeKen.comJonathan Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16190636327128879373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post-58225436418738680472007-06-13T19:27:00.000-04:002007-06-13T19:27:00.000-04:00Let's see if I follow this.You're pointing out the...Let's see if I follow this.<BR/><BR/>You're pointing out the hypocrisy of those who called for Tom's resignation but not Becky's. <BR/><BR/>Fair enough.<BR/><BR/>But it sounds like you don't have an issue with Becky continuing to serve, as you did not have an issue with Tom continuing to serve.<BR/><BR/>Unless I misinterpreted your comments ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post-51351371966645817772007-06-13T18:15:00.000-04:002007-06-13T18:15:00.000-04:00Of course they do. And I imagine there's some demo...Of course they do. And I imagine there's some democratic operative who runs a business that most of the democrats use.<BR/><BR/>The point is that you hire people who are of like mind to do work for you, and not because you are trying to bribe them into making decisions for you.<BR/><BR/>It's just that some bloggers were certain Tom Kopko could not be impartial because he took payment for a service from Faisal Gill before there was even a nomination fight, and Julie Lucas herself made an issue out of that "conflict" to the Washington Post. <BR/><BR/>But neither Julie Lucas, or those other people, are screaming about Becky having a "conflict", even though she not only took more than twice as much money, but also ENDORSED Julie.<BR/><BR/>Because they are hypocritical, or more truthfully are dishonest in their complaints, making allegations only when it suits their political aims, not out of some overriding principle.<BR/><BR/>When it was Tom Kopko, the "principle" was that NO district chair should EVER take ANY money for service from ANY candidate during a nominating term where that chair could have ANY part in the outcome.<BR/><BR/>But there's Becky, chair in charge of the appeal, who took money for service from a candidate, and none of those people who complained about Tom are complaining now.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04551264439871137611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23490549.post-64375852407997268882007-06-13T06:07:00.000-04:002007-06-13T06:07:00.000-04:00Some local committe member tells me:Just about eve...Some local committe member tells me:<BR/>Just about every campaign uses Becky's company for their flyers and mailing. In fact, Kopko & Co. used Becky for the printing and mailing of the campaign literature for Corey Stewart last fall, to the tune of about $21,000, check the PWCRC committee's 2006 Dec. financial report on the state board of elections site.opditchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14742764046956849487noreply@blogger.com